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Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 9:39 pmby JordanP
				This is an image from a recent wedding I shot with Geoff.  Just thought I would give it a little old world feel with some grain (I think we call it noise now-a-day)
 
Anyway in a world of massive megapixels and clean noisless images I thought I would throw this one in for comments and suggestions.
What do you think, is there still room for images like this one?
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 9:43 pmby bago100
				Hi Jordanp
I think there is plenty of room for photos such as this.
I like the grainy black and white look - gives it a timeless quality in my opinion.  
I don' think the grainy black and white look would work with all types of photos in my opinion but it certainly does with portraits.
Well done!
Cheers
Graham
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 9:49 pmby PiroStitch
				It's a good effect, but I think you overdid the amount of grains in the image.  For me, it's bordering on too much and distracts the viewer from the actual photo itself.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 9:57 pmby Glen
				Craig, like it a lot  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 10:07 pmby johndec
				Craig, love it but I would like to see a comparison with say 1/2 the grain.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 10:17 pmby darb
				cant say it does much for me at all 

 ... maybe bout 1/4 the grain?
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 10:30 pmby Onyx
				I love it, but the grain is too uniform... should be more blocky and random.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 10:32 pmby JordanP
				here it is with about half the grain - for those that wanted less
 
Thanks for the feed back so far.  The use of grain can get quite arty so it is generaly something you like or not.
Keep the thoughts coming  

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 10:35 pmby JordanP
				Onyx wrote:I love it, but the grain is too uniform... should be more blocky and random.
Cheers.  I used Gaussian distribution of noise to try and avoid that but I see what you mean.  Any idea on how to achieve a more random effect?
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 11:11 pmby Nnnnsic
				I like the original a lot. 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 11:50 pmby johndec
				Thanks Craig.  I prefer No 2.  Of course what is important is which one the subject/customer prefers... 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Wed May 18, 2005 11:52 pmby Killakoala
				I like both of them. I like to add a bit of noise to all my B&W images as it adds character. 
I reckon both pics would look sensational printed and framed.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 1:01 amby Matt. K
				I like the grain and the sepia...but this image breaks one of the cardinal laws of composition. It has 3 dark corners and one white corner...the roses. The energy of the composition leaks out of that white corner.
I'm ready for the flak.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 2:21 amby sirhc55
				Rules were made to be broken - I like both and prefer #1 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 4:24 amby dooda
				Great shot, and is framed really well imo.
The first one looks like Sandpaper. The second one sort of does too, but I guess that's what graininess does. I like grain but not sure how much I like it on this pic. Sort of gimmicky I guess.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 6:32 amby SoCal Steve
				Personally, I like the first one. Women, most specifically the subjects, in the pictures generally don't like anything that doesn't show their complexions creamy smooth. So the bride might be less enthused with this result than we are. 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 8:03 amby gstark
				I prefer #2 ...
but I'm wondering how it might look with a bit of optical flare as well, perhaps around the bouquet and where the face meets it.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 12:27 pmby stubbsy
				Matt. K wrote:I like the grain and the sepia...but this image breaks one of the cardinal laws of composition. It has 3 dark corners and one white corner...the roses. The energy of the composition leaks out of that white corner.
I'm ready for the flak.
And it's not "neat and in the middle" Matt 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 12:33 pmby MHD
				Maybe it is my youth speaking but I dont think I like the noise at all..
I would like to see the original, and then maybe some glowing skin effect put on to it (layer which is blurred added)
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 12:48 pmby darb
				SoCal Steve wrote:Personally, I like the first one. Women, most specifically the subjects, in the pictures generally don't like anything that doesn't show their complexions creamy smooth. So the bride might be less enthused with this result than we are. 

 
thats why if im taking a photo of girls who may be a bit concious of a blemish or something, i may clone it out ... if you make them look great (read : fake i suppose) then they love it, and dont mind being photographed as they know I'll do a good job  ... I also rarely keep a photo of someone if its not a flattering photo. (even the wrong white balance can make someone look sick or pale or wahtever.)
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 12:55 pmby MHD
				I agree entirely Darb...
Some times I look at a photo and just go erk!
some times a camera can be VERY unflattering and I only show people I know the best (and occasionaly PPed 

 ) shots
otherwise taking photos becomes taboo
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Thu May 19, 2005 1:00 pmby darb
				most girls in my social circles pretty much do as i say now when the camera gets pulled out ... pose a little, smile, turn into light  ... whatever. Of course i give them the "thats it baby, cool as ice, bit more smile, bit more skirt, thats it baby" hahaha.   
Though "take off your top" still results in a slap.
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Fri May 20, 2005 8:48 pmby shakey
				JordanP wrote:here it is with about half the grain - for those that wanted less
Thanks for the feed back so far.  The use of grain can get quite arty so it is generaly something you like or not.
Keep the thoughts coming  

 
How about the bouquet with no grain using an adjustment layer, but the rest of the shot with the half grain?
shakey
 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Fri May 20, 2005 9:14 pmby Geoff
				JordanP wrote:here it is with about half the grain - for those that wanted less

Thanks for the feed back so far.  The use of grain can get quite arty so it is generaly something you like or not.
Keep the thoughts coming  

 
Hi Craig/partner 
 
I like the 2nd one with half the amount of grain more than the first one 

. Now...who took it? The maestro or the learner? 

 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Sun May 22, 2005 3:24 pmby JordanP
				A shot from yourself I believe young Geoff. (heavily cropped)
			 
			
		
			
				
				
Posted: 
Sun May 22, 2005 6:11 pmby leigh999
				I like giving the grainy treatment to all sorts of images -B&W and colour.
I agree with Onyx that in this case it is a bit too uniform for my taste. I tend to visualise grain with high contrast images. Below is an example. 
I create a duplicate layer and use Filter>Texture>Grain (has options for intensity, contrast and type) and then can adjust opacity and blend of 'grain layer' to suit taste.
